Just when I was beginning to like human rights activist and anti-death penalty zealot Dorina Lisson because we began to communicate and disagree without resorting to derogatory name calling, Dorina reverted to her old nasty self yesterday by saying Bob Walsh had an ‘ignorant mouth’ and that those of us who disagreed with her on the death penalty were ‘ignorant’. She went further by painting the United States as uncivilized.
Let me refresh the memory of those who have been following our debate all these weeks. Bob Walsh, several other correctional officers and I have been giving her a bad time because Dorina had excoriated SOME correctional officers as abusive and brutal uneducated idiots, and ALL those on the execution team as ‘crazed sadist bullies.’ She accuses MANY correctional officers of engaging in ‘predatory animalistic behavior towards prisoners.’
Lisson, who refers to our prison inmates as ‘caged human beings,’ also implied they are not well fed by saying that ‘The USA correctional authorities should seriously consider improving food quality that is fed to prisoners.’
Dorina’s latest bad mouthing came in response to how Bob replied about the food prisoners are served and his disagreement with her on the death penalty. Here is what Bob Walsh said:
“I knew I would be unable to convince you Dorina. You have a classical liberal mindset that is incapable of acknowledging error. (Did you ever get around to reading that book I suggested, The Vision of the Annointed, by Thomas Sowell?) I was the kitchen Sergeant at a fair size state prison for two years. I can assure you the food is of excellent nutritional value and is, for the most part, even pretty well presented. It is not at all like slopping the hogs or bread and water or whatever you seem to think is going on. Even the Grand Jury, which regularly inspects California prisons, is typically suitably impressed. Clearly we are never going to agree on Capital Punishment. There are some subjects (abortion is another one) with very little gray area and each side tends to be absolutely sure of their position, often for personal or religious reasons having nothing to do with the actual argument. Have a nice day. Try not to get murdered by a previously convicted killer now released from custody. It would be bad for you.”
And here is how Dorina Lisson responded yesterday to Bob:
“Thanx for the warning Bob. I will note your warning to not get murdered by a previously convicted killer now released from custody because it would be bad for me. I'm not afraid, really! Actually, the chance of that is highly unlikely according to Australian Bureau of Crime statistics. For your information, there are only a handful of previously convicted killers in Australia. Get your facts correct before you open your ignorant mouth! However, your chance of getting murdered by a previously convicted killer is much higher, according to the USA Bureau of Crime statistics. Oh, yes I almost forgot ... you and your pals are all in denial of the truth - the fact that the USA has the highest crime rate than any other country in the world - the only western nation that legally kills its own citizens. The deterrent factor a hypothesis myth but a brutalizing factor is evidence. Hey, you don't have to take my word for it - do the research - open your eyes. Ignorant people like yourselves are discrediting yourselves and your country, while the rest of the civilized world is watching the USA (land of The Free) !!!”
‘Ignorant mouth’ and ‘ignorant’? Who is the ignorant one – Dorina or Bob?
When Bob Walsh speaks, his is the voice of many years of exceptional service as a correctional officer. The ‘caged human beings’ Bob has had in his charge include some of the very worst dregs of society, including many cold blooded killers. His opinions are based on actual experience, not on the drivel of biased authors.
When Dorina Lisson speaks about capital punishment, she is basing her opinions on the biased ‘research’ of those who, like her, are vehemently opposed to the death penalty. When she speaks about the mistreatment of America’s ‘caged human beings,’ it is obvious that her opinions have been formed by writings that are based on the unfounded and unwarranted complaints made by inmates, their families and friends, and by those left-wingers who are hell-bent on discrediting the United States.
So, who is the ignorant one here? IT IS CLEARLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY DORINA LISSON!
Lisson is the typical zealot. It makes no difference whether they’re left-wing or right-wing. All zealots are convinced that they are absolutely right and that those who disagree with them are absolutely wrong. There is no gray area in between.
Bob and I are not anti-death penalty zealots. We do not go running all over the country, or the world, trying to exhort everyone within earshot to support capital punishment. We do not run around screaming for governments to institute the death penalty. We merely respond to those who want to abolish capital punishment.
Dorina Lisson toots her horn as a human rights activist. Instead of attacking the U.S. - which saved Australia’s bacon from the Japanese during WWII while that nation’s gallant troops were away in Burma, Malaysia and Europe - she should turn her attention to her own homeland.
The Land Down Under has a dismal record of dealing with its indigenous population. Before Lisson goes on running around sticking her busybody nose where it doesn’t belong, she should turn her attention to the plight of Australia’s Aborigines. Looking after the human rights of the Aborigines should keep Dorina occupied for the next decade or so.
6 comments:
Although I was involved in some of the earlier discussions, I have pretty much stayed out of the last one.
Personally, I am for the death penalty, but I have to admit to being somewhat conflicted. Putting an innocent person to death is a horrific thing to ponder.
Having said that, I also believe that some crimes are so depraved and some people so unsalvagable, as to make this ultimate penalty justified. I pointed out some time ago that a life sentence does not guarantee the accused will not parole, and that even those who do not continue to prey on other inmates and staff members.
So I see and respect both sides of this issue.
What I do not respect, and which I am finding increasingly tiresome, is the presumption of moral deficiency or ignorance directed at those who disagree.
The name calling, the accusations, and the manufacturing of facts remind me of young children on a school yard.
A law enforcement official contacted me direct and said: I enjoy reading your blogs. It is apparent that Dorinna Lisson is nuts. Stop letting her bait you into further dialog.
Actually I think the dialog with Lisson is beneficial because she keeps discrediting herself.
Very nice opinions - you all can call me nuts or whatever - any kind of names you want, really ... I DON'T CARE !!!
The fact remains - any self-acclaimed decent person who calls themselves a decent human being - who premeditates the cold-blooded killing of another person in an evil ritual (aka justice) is a "crazed sadist".
A killer is a killer, is a killer, regardless of who is doing the killing. Killing a person is barbaric, brutal, cruel, degrading, inhuman and uncivilized. It is also very racist and discriminative. A nation of people that spends millions of dollars per year on legally killing people can only be described as profoundly insane.
It takes certain "emotional abnormal" individuals to kill a person/prisoner.
The opinions of me by you and your highly experienced back-up of CO's and law enforcement officials mean nothing to me, especially considering some of those highly experienced persons are often, or have in the past been convicted of various prisoners' abuse. Hardly a respectable highly experienced lot!
I refuse to be bullied by any of you. I respond to comments written about me and my work as a human rights activist. Your comments are merely based on assumptions, hypotheticals and personal attacks - without any real factual evidence.
In the meantime, forget personal opinions ... I am still waiting for any professional suggestions/reasons as to why the USA (THE ONLY CIVILIZED NATION THAT LEGALLY KILLS ITS OWN CITIZENS) continues to experience the highest crime rate and the highest incarceration rate per capita, than any other country in the world ???
Come on highly experienced people, tell the whole world the facts, not merely personal opinions - don't be shy - you all can make up any excuse that legally killing people is not "brutalizing" your country ... an outright scandal !!!
For years, the U.S. and its people have positioned themselves over other countries to criticize human rights conditions in other countries, using it as a tool to interfere with and demonize other nations. In the meantime, the U.S. has turned a blind eye to its own violations of human rights.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-03/12/c_13208219_2.htm
The U.S. practice of throwing stones at others while living in a glass house is a testimony to the double standards and hypocrisy of the U.S. in dealing with human rights issues, and has undermined its international image.
Anon, you are just as ignorant as Dorina Lisson when you assume that the charges of human rights violations against the U.S. are true. And when the U.S. has accused other nations of human rights violations, those violations have been shown on camera for the whole world to see.
Dorina, I agree that you are nuts as well as ignorant. You are so consumed by the death penalty that it has made you a real sicko.
Our comments are not 'based on assumptions, hypotheticals and personal attacks - without any real factual evidence.' There are a number of studies showing that the death penalty acts as a deterrent, but I have better things to do than spend hours digging them up.
Our crime rates and incarceration rates have absolutely nothing to do with the death penalty. And our murder rates are far less per capita than the murder rates in many other countries, including those of 'civilized' countries.
As I said before, keep your busybody nose out of our affairs and see to the human rights violations in your own country.
Hey Men; you dont want to mess with Dorina Lisson. Sicilian women are more dangerous than a loaded shotgun.
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